{"id":5856,"date":"2022-04-07T15:05:37","date_gmt":"2022-04-07T18:05:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/?p=5856"},"modified":"2022-04-27T16:51:10","modified_gmt":"2022-04-27T19:51:10","slug":"plato-and-the-doctrine-of-choices-of-evidence-journal-spirit-september-1858","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/en\/artigos\/estudos-da-revista-espirita\/platao-e-a-doutrina-das-escolhas-de-provas-revista-espirita-setembro-de-1858\/","title":{"rendered":"Plato and the Doctrine of Choices of Evidence"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pdfprnt-buttons pdfprnt-buttons-post pdfprnt-top-right\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5856?print=pdf\" class=\"pdfprnt-button pdfprnt-button-pdf\" target=\"_blank\" ><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/wp-content\/plugins\/pdf-print\/images\/pdf.png\" alt=\"image_pdf\" title=\"View PDF\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 32px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 32\/32;\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5856?print=print\" class=\"pdfprnt-button pdfprnt-button-print\" target=\"_blank\" ><img decoding=\"async\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/wp-content\/plugins\/pdf-print\/images\/print.png\" alt=\"image_print\" title=\"Print Content\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 32px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 32\/32;\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Like all teaching, it is progressive. As humanity evolves its understanding changes. This article on Plato and Socrates is about that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Remember the teachings of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/en\/articles-2\/studies-of-the-journal-spirit-2\/charity-for-the-spirit-of-s-vicente-de-paulo\/\">Last week&#039;s Sao Vicente de Paul<\/a>? So, Saint Vincent de Paul spoke of the Gospel, that we should study it. Now, RE shows us something before Jesus, from the 5th and 4th century BC, from <a href=\"https:\/\/pt.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Plat%C3%A3o\">Plato<\/a> and your mentor <a href=\"https:\/\/pt.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/S%C3%B3crates\">Socrates<\/a> (remembering that it was Plato who wrote). <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"468\" height=\"668\" src=\"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/SOCRATES-e-platao.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5857\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/SOCRATES-e-platao.jpg 468w, https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/SOCRATES-e-platao-210x300.jpg 210w, https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/SOCRATES-e-platao-8x12.jpg 8w, https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/SOCRATES-e-platao-150x214.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/SOCRATES-e-platao-300x428.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 468px) 100vw, 468px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In the Spiritist Society, they had never imagined before: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cToday we will not discuss this theory, which was so far from our thinking when the Spirits revealed it to us, which surprised us strangely, because \u2014 we humbly confess \u2014 what Plato had written on this special subject was then completely unknown to us, new evidence, among others. so many others, that the communications given to us absolutely do not reflect our personal opinion. As for Plato&#039;s, we have only established the main idea, it being easy for each one to decide the form in which it is presented and to judge the points of contact that, in certain details, it may have with our current theory.<\/p><cite>Kardec, Allan. Spiritist Magazine: first year: September\/1858 <\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The teachings of Socrates and Plato really carry the precepts of Jesus and are similar to those of the communicating spirits of Kardec&#039;s century. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this article, RE presents as main ideas coming from Plato: the immortality of the soul, the succession of existences, the choice of existences as a result of free will, in short, the happy and unhappy consequences. Of course, Socrates, described by Plato, used parables to explain, because that was how they understood the lessons at that time.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In his allegory of the Spindle of Necessity, Plato imagines a dialogue between Socrates and Glaucon, attributing to the former the speech of the RE, about the revelations of the Armenian Er, a fictional character, in all probability, although some take him for Zoroaster. <a href=\"https:\/\/kardecpedia.com\/roteiro-de-estudos\/20\/revista-espirita-jornal-de-estudospsicologicos-1858\/4444\/setembro\/platao-e-a-doutrina-da-escolha-das-provas\">worth reading<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kardec presents the essence of an allegory by Plato, where a man would have had an NDE and came back telling \u201cthe other side\u201d. It is very figurative, and it shows the idea of the Trial Choices before we reincarnate. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In these teachings, when Plato quotes the Daughters of Necessity, he is talking about divine laws. See what he says: <\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>Passenger souls, you will start a new career and be reborn (reincarnate) in the mortal condition. Genius will not be pointed out to you; you will choose it yourself. You will choose the one that luck calls first, and that choice will be irrevocable. Virtue belongs to no one: it allies itself to those who dignify it and abandons those who despise it. Each one is responsible for the choice he makes, God is innocent.&#039;<\/p><cite>Kardec, RE September\/1858<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Then he goes on to describe how the rebirth takes place, which is very similar to what the Spirits in Kardec&#039;s times explain. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Therefore, each one is responsible for the choice! God is innocent in his free will! <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In OLE, these issues are addressed in depth, as in<a href=\"https:\/\/kardecpedia.com\/roteiro-de-estudos\/2\/o-livro-dos-espiritos\/139\/parte-segunda-do-mundo-espirita-ou-mundo-dos-espiritos\/capitulo-vi-da-vida-espirita\/escolha-de-provas]\">&nbsp; Part Two \u2014 On the Spiritist World or World of Spirits, Chapter VI \u2014 On the Spiritist Life, Choice of Evidence<\/a>, as well as the questions <a href=\"https:\/\/kardecpedia.com\/roteiro-de-estudos\/2\/o-livro-dos-espiritos\/655\/parte-segunda-do-mundo-espirita-ou-mundo-dos-espiritos\/capitulo-vii-da-volta-do-espirito-a-vida-corporal\/preludio-da-volta\/337\">337<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/kardecpedia.com\/roteiro-de-estudos\/2\/o-livro-dos-espiritos\/3377\/parte-quarta-das-esperancas-e-consolacoes\/capitulo-ii-das-penas-e-gozos-futuros\/natureza-das-penas-e-gozos-futuros\/975\">975<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This RE article is Kardec&#039;s seed for the elaboration of the Gospel According to Spiritism (April 1864). in your introduction <a href=\"https:\/\/kardecpedia.com\/roteiro-de-estudos\/887\/o-evangelho-segundo-o-espiritismo\/2054\/introducao\/iv-socrates-e-platao-precursores-da-ideia-crista-e-do-espiritismo\">exposes the relationship with the ideas of Christianity<\/a> and soon after the <a href=\"https:\/\/kardecpedia.com\/roteiro-de-estudos\/887\/o-evangelho-segundo-o-espiritismo\/2087\/introducao\/resumo-da-doutrina-de-socrates-e-de-platao\">morals of Socrates and Plato<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note: we also indicate this great <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Ktk7iD_vPYs\">video about the Morals of Socrates and Plato<\/a> of the channel <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/c\/ESPIRITISMOPARATODOS\/featured\">Spiritism for All<\/a> <\/p>\n<div class=\"fb-background-color\">\n\t\t\t  <div \n\t\t\t  \tclass = \"fb-comments\" \n\t\t\t  \tdata-href = \"https:\/\/www.geolegadodeallankardec.com.br\/en\/artigos\/estudos-da-revista-espirita\/platao-e-a-doutrina-das-escolhas-de-provas-revista-espirita-setembro-de-1858\/\"\n\t\t\t  \tdata-numposts = \"10\"\n\t\t\t  \tdata-lazy = \"true\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-colorscheme = \"light\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-order-by = \"social\"\n\t\t\t\tdata-mobile=\"true\">\n\t\t\t  <\/div><\/div>\n\t\t  <style>\n\t\t    .fb-background-color {\n\t\t\t\tbackground: #ffffff !important;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t.fb_iframe_widget_fluid_desktop iframe {\n\t\t\t    width: 100% !important;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t  <\/style>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Introduction to the ideas of Socrates and Plato who were precursors of the Christian idea and Spiritism. by Allan Kardec<\/p>","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[60,9],"tags":[23,27,25,83,10,19],"class_list":["post-5856","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-estudo-aprofundado-do-espiritismo","category-estudos-da-revista-espirita","tag-allan-kardec","tag-espiritos","tag-historia-do-espiritismo","tag-moralcrista","tag-revista-espirita","tag-revista-espirita-1858"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v21.1 (Yoast SEO v27.2) - 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